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If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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Hi, folks!

Technically it's not illegal in the U.S.A., just highly controversial. Children modeling nude can be seen in the works of Jock Sturges, David Hamilton, and Sally Mann just to name three photographers. The photo books of these photographers can be purchased through out the country and the whole world.
The controversy over children modeling nude stems from a dispute over what constitutes pornography. To some people any form of nudity or even a suggestive pose while fully clothed is pornographic. To others anything short of intercourse is considered erotic art and not pornography.
A general rule of thumb is if the subject of the art is not involved in any form of sexual act either with another person of on their own. Is not in a pose that causes the eye to be drawn directly to the buttocks, genitals or breasts, then it can pass as art and not pornography.

However each area of the country and some times each individual judge will have their own take on what is pornographic and what isn't. Thus if a child wishes to model nude, then it is best that it be done with a trusted artist, with parental consent and supervision and with clear set boundaries as to the type of poses allowed.

If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?
Beauty has no age. The female nude has always been considered the utmost beauty. An artist uses canvas, stone or wood whereas the model uses her nude to form beautiful figure. This is pure art and should not be related to sex or porno. I like to watch art nude work on Met Art, met models and Errotica.
I have a 13 years old girl. I noticed her interest in art and modeling. I want to be prepared in case she asks me to allow her to pose for nude art modeling. I am inclined not to object provided:

1.work is only related to art
2.no sex
3.No explicit shots of genital area. This area to be obscure by shade, by her hands, a pillow or by posing her body to hide that area.

I would suggest that you practice some photagraphy with your child together to start. That way she can get used to it in a safe and secure enviroment without strangers. Begin with simple clothed photo shoots and see where it goes from there. If she desires to model nude, she will likely bring it up on her own if you are open to it, so there is no need to put any pressure on her in that regard.

O.k. nobody should exert pressure on a preteen whether she should or should not pose nude. But my question is that is there some legal and reputable pay sites that show art nude preteen models? I agree that I should start with Mary. She would feel safer with her dad. But I want to see more professional sites dealing with preteens. I believe that creating the suitable pose for the girl can hide her genital area and keeping it obscure. This is the most important issue. Adult girls can pose with very explicit details of their genital area. In some sites I saw them opening their lips and showing the details of the inside. This is very objectionable with a child. Such explicit images does not relate to beauty. Furthermore; the suitable pose is the essence of nude art photography 8)
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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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Guy from US hat geschrieben: 3.No explicit shots of genital area. This area to be obscure by shade, by her hands, a pillow or by posing her body to hide that area.
hello guy from us!

i do not agree showing genitals is porn. this would mean we all ARE pornographic. there is nothing obscene in what we are. porn is showing sexual action and nothing else! please tell that to your folks of the states (incl govs)

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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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Replace model with mold or shape :mrgreen:
Dumm fickt gut. Noch Fragen ??
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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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this would mean we all ARE pornographic.
No - all women are pornographic, men whatsoever are gross.
See you on a dark night
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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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Sairen hat geschrieben:
this would mean we all ARE pornographic.
No - all women are pornographic, men whatsoever are gross.
I totally agree. Men are just gross.
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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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Kann das mal jemand bitte übersetzen?

Danke :-)
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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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Hey, manche finden Kinder-Modeln voll blöd.
Aber manche findens voll toll.
Das Gesetz findets so beides.
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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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Guy from US hat geschrieben:Hi, folks!

Technically it's not illegal in the U.S.A., just highly controversial.
I have a 13 years old girl.
Technically, nothing with any "sociallly redeeming value" is illegal in the USA either. However in any locale the DA or Sheriff ursurpes the law. "I'm the law around here!" and "Local law trumps federal and state law" are statements I've often heard during my life in USA. They've never understood their own constitution!

In Germany the rules are quite simple and the same all over the Federal Republic: nudidy is OK anywhere, at home, in pulic places, in real life, in art, in modern media, including still photography and movies. Like, the famous sex education photo book :"Zeig Mal! / Show Me" by another US-refugee, Will McBride, has never been outlawed here, just withdrawn by the publishers sometime around 1995 due to massive threats from the witchhunt mafia.

Precise as the Krausts are, they define "obscene" as any labiae open more than 5 mm or any penis erect more than 45 angle degrees! Touching, kissing, fondling is not considerd obscene, but touching genitals and penile, digital or object penetration of body orifices is. If the persons shown are under 14, it's child pornography (not 18 as in "das prude Amerika" as they say. However, people see that quite casually: yesterday on the beach, I observed a mother taking a picture of her naked little boy fondling himself.

Whatever children do consensually with each other at the beach, public pool, playground, kindergarten, school or in the home is up to them and OK here, with restrictions when educational discipline becomes affected. One can see them running around, swimming naked, but also masturbating, interacting erotically/sexually ect. However, as soon as adults get involved, even if just observing or positively commenting on the action, that becomes "#176 StGB, Sexueller Mißbrauch von Kindern" i e child molestation.

Good success with your photos, don't get busted and keep up the good fight!
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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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@USRefugee: What is your point?
Bei einem Pädo wäre das nicht passiert.
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Re: If a child wants to model nude is it illegal?

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GBR hat geschrieben:Kann das mal jemand bitte übersetzen?

Danke :-)
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